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EPA regulations "GONE"???

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@BULL 1969 standards would have our Catalytic converters in the recycle bin for precious mineral redemption. Leaving a PVC as the only Emission, along with Charcoal canister for vapor recovery. Maybe an air pump on certain engines.

Screw it let’s go back to the 50s pre PVC system in trade for Road draft tubes, we ain’t going to need the Catch Can anymore without positive pressure in the case.

Yep the awakened to find out tiz dust a wet dream.
 


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Two AFB’s are going on the Hellcat tomorrow! :LOL:
Two Carter AFB’s perched on top of an IHI blower feeding a Gen 3 426 stoker !!!

Hmmmmm. 🤔 ahhh yes I would test pilot that NP.
 


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Gotta wonder what's going to happen. Saw a few people got snagged for tuning diesels. All that's gone away now? Cafe standards worthless? Cats aren't needed?
 


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There was a great post in one of the forums a while ago where someone enumerated the emissions from all the gas and diesel vehicles globally. Then it showed the emissions from cargo ships which burn straight crude. The math came to I think just 2 cargo ships create more emissions than from all the other vehicles in the world combined... and there's over 30k active cargo ships.
The point being that all this emissions stuff for cars, trucks, and diesels is just a drop in the bucket--never made an actual difference--it was all just for politics, votes, and for money to change hands.
 


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There was a great post in one of the forums a while ago where someone enumerated the emissions from all the gas and diesel vehicles globally. Then it showed the emissions from cargo ships which burn straight crude. The math came to I think just 2 cargo ships create more emissions than from all the other vehicles in the world combined... and there's over 30k active cargo ships.
The point being that all this emissions stuff for cars, trucks, and diesels is just a drop in the bucket--never made an actual difference--it was all just for politics, votes, and for money to change hands.
Never saw that post...but being the sceptic that I am..I would first question the validity of the data..it would seem to me...gathering all that data.(with any degree of certainty)...would be a very difficult task..and to determine the varying amounts of emissions produced by every vehicle on the planet...I don't quite buy it
 


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The actual information about what might change is on EPA's website.

Unfortunately it's nowhere near what the You Tubers (and many others) are claiming.
 


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The actual information about what might change is on EPA's website.

Unfortunately it's nowhere near what the You Tubers (and many others) are claiming.
Didn't think so...but what do I know...:rolleyes:..and I'm too fuckin lazy to look it up..:giggle::giggle::giggle:;)
 


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Found the posts:
this post and
this post

My numbers from memory were slightly off, but the point still stands--it's numerically overwhelming:
* 2 bulk container ships produce more emissions than all the cars, trucks, planes, and trains in the US combined
* 10 bulk container ships produce as much as all the rest of the gas ICE emissions globally.
* there's over 70k of these ships, 20-30k are of the largest bulk type
* eliminating vehicle emissions from every car, truck, plane, and train on the planet would affect global emissions by less than 1/100th of a percent
 


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Found the posts:
this post and
this post

My numbers from memory were slightly off, but the point still stands--it's numerically overwhelming:
* 2 bulk container ships produce more emissions than all the cars, trucks, planes, and trains in the US combined
* 10 bulk container ships produce as much as all the rest of the gas ICE emissions globally.
* there's over 70k of these ships, 20-30k are of the largest bulk type
* eliminating vehicle emissions from every car, truck, plane, and train on the planet would affect global emissions by less than 1/100th of a percent
Global emissions..be they transportation related ...industrial manufacturing related..other factions of society that contribute to perceived environmental contamination aren't really the international concern it would take to make an appreciable difference to the global environment...yet politically here..(especially as it relates to the automotive segment)...it's become a big deal
 


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Didn't think so...but what do I know...:rolleyes:..and I'm too fuckin lazy to look it up..:giggle::giggle::giggle:;)
you would never take your cats off and build a fast car so it doesn't really matter:geek:
 


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If you follow the thread from the second post I linked there's a follow up by the author that talks about volcanoes--which entirely obliterate the math on any human contribution to global climate from emissions...

this post
 


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I hate volcanos.
 


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If you follow the thread from the second post I linked there's a follow up by the author that talks about volcanoes--which entirely obliterate the math on any human contribution to global climate from emissions...

this post
 


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They be we - ultimately it will be all of us paying down that bad investment as it is already being baked into the cost of a new car.
$115k Hellcat Durango's - does anyone seriously think it costs anywhere near that price tag to roll them off the assembly line :rolleyes:
No way I'm layin out that kinda scratch for a HC Durango...hell my Demon didn't cost that much
 


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Silver lining after the red herring. Federal Supremacy clause. States shall enforce federal emissions standards and nothing more and nothing less.

from Grok:
The Federal Supremacy Clause, found in Article VI, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution, establishes that federal law takes precedence over state law when there's a conflict. This means that if a federal statute or regulation explicitly sets emissions standards, states generally can't impose stricter rules if the federal law is intended to be the final word on the matter—a concept called preemption.

In practice, this hinges on how the federal law is written and interpreted. For example, the Clean Air Act (CAA) governs vehicle emissions and sets national standards through the EPA. Under the CAA, states are generally preempted from setting their own vehicle emissions standards—except for California, which has a special waiver provision (Section 209). California can request stricter standards, and other states can opt into those if approved. This exception exists because of California's early efforts on air quality and its unique environmental challenges. So, outside of California’s carve-out, the Supremacy Clause could indeed block states from enforcing tougher emissions rules if they conflict with federal standards.

However, it’s not a blanket rule. If federal law sets a *minimum* standard (a floor) rather than a ceiling, states can often go stricter. The CAA, for instance, allows states to regulate stationary sources (like power plants) more stringently than federal baselines. For vehicle emissions, though, the law’s language leans toward uniformity, meaning stricter state rules are usually preempted unless they fit the California exception.

Courts decide these disputes case-by-case. If a state tried to enforce tougher vehicle emissions standards without a waiver, the Supremacy Clause could be invoked to strike them down, assuming the federal standard is deemed comprehensive. Look at cases like *Engine Manufacturers Association v. South Coast Air Quality Management District* (2004)—the Supreme Court ruled that local rules effectively setting vehicle standards were preempted by the CAA.

Short answer: Yes, the Supremacy Clause can block stricter state emissions standards, especially for vehicles, unless federal law explicitly allows otherwise (like California’s waiver). It depends on the specific federal statute and whether it’s a ceiling or a floor.

_Disclaimer: Grok is not a lawyer; please consult one. Don't share information that can identify you._
 


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One thing that most people are unaware of is that federal law lands within one of two distinct jurisdictions:
* subject matter jurisdiction
* federal territorial jurisdiction

The former applies to within the 50 states of the union, but is strictly limited to subjects explicitly enumerated by the Constitution granting Congress authority to legislate in those matters.
The latter applies /only/ to the possessions and territories that fall under Congressional authority (eg DC, PR, Guam, and any federal property within the boundaries of a state of the union ceded to the fed. gov. by that state according to the requirements laid out in the Constitution, eg a Federal building, military base, etc..)--and point of note is that the Constitution is largely irrelevant within these locations--Congress essentially has total/tyrannical power to pass any law they want there.

Several well-known, often-discussed-and-debated federal laws are of the latter variety and actually have /zero/ jurisdiction or applicability within the states of the union. The big problem is no one challenges them on jurisdiction... and in a court of law the Judge will not make an argument for you--if you don't bring it up, they proceed under the presumption that the law in question is actually applicable.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out which laws fall in which of the two categories...
 


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No way I'm layin out that kinda scratch for a HC Durango...hell my Demon didn't cost that much
No reason to. Not now that they lowered the price by some $20K.
 


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No reason to. Not now that they lowered the price by some $20K.
The Durango (in any trim or price) is just not a vehicle that fits ANY of my needs...a friend of mine has one and it's a great vehicle...but with my trucks,,and cars (and my wife's)...it would never get driven...
 


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...but with my trucks,,and cars (and my wife's)...it would never get driven...
Much like my car with a bed on it (what you refer to as trucks) then. The '21 1500 has about 2,800 miles on it as I recall.
 




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