1000s of New Charger EVs are Bricked

[Jimmy N.]

I know, I was just jerking your chain.

Be careful.

There might be an alligator at the other end of it.

 

[DavidKFla]

Be careful.

There might be an alligator at the other end of it.

shhhhhh...

 

[BigSwede]

The twin turbo will sell even with the I 6



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Way more desirable than the EV. Bummer that there’s no V8 but Satera bought a shop truck with the TTI6 to get ahead of the tuning game and with the heavy truck drivetrain it put down 460hp to the wheels.

He thinks the Charger with a lighter drivetrain might put down 480hp or so and with a basic tune it should be 580hp-600whp with AWD. Pretty solid combo on the street and most likely capable of a lot more with some more serious bolt-ons.

Being Stellantis I would give it a couple years to work out the kinks just like BMW has done with the B58.

 

[covidcommander]

Awd tti6?

 

[BigSwede]

Awd tti6?

Not sure what your question is.

 

[BULL]

Can someone explain why you would want TWIN turbos on a STRAIGHT six?

 

[Jimmy N.]

Because it sounds so good?

Not the sound of the engine, but to be able to say "twin turbo", which must be twice as good.

 

[Bowtie Guy]

not bricked?
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/15vThw2CSU/

There has been numerous issues
But
They are shipping to dealers

 

[Bowtie Guy]

Look at the right side trunk lid gap vs. the left - pretty piss poor build quality/QC for something fetching $75k

Funny you mention that
They are doing some adjusting on the lift assist cylinders

 

[BULL]

Because it sounds so good?

Not the sound of the engine, but to be able to say "twin turbo", which must be twice as good.

I'm far from an expert, but the only thing that came to mind would be to have one for low RPM and the other for high RPM, but somebody else who is more knowledgeable should chime in.

 

[Bowtie Guy]

This 1 is better
Could be shade / sun / shadows
Quality control is pretty tight generally
They use plastic gap Gages to check the gaps

 

[Bowtie Guy]

I'm far from an expert, but the only thing that came to mind would be to have one for low RPM and the other for high RPM, but somebody else who is more knowledgeable should chime in.

The low RPM turbo helps eliminate the lag

I could use 1 right now after last nite

 

[DavidKFla]

I'm far from an expert, but the only thing that came to mind would be to have one for low RPM and the other for high RPM, but somebody else who is more knowledgeable should chime in.

The pos Tundra that I had, used some type of engine noise sound maker in the cab. Problem is that it always made the exact annoying sound no matter how it was driven.

I was able to get it turned off by the dealer. The earlier models that option wasn't available. I told them to turn the garbage off no matter what it took.

I wonder if you can get it turned off on these cars?

 

[BigSwede]

Can someone explain why you would want TWIN turbos on a STRAIGHT six?

Instead of one bigger turbo to get you to your hp goals you use two smaller turbos that spool up at a much lower rpm. You then have each turbo powering 3 cylinders instead of one big turbo having to spool all 6 cylinders.

The power comes on at a much lower rpm making it a much nicer driving experience.

 

[Jack_Toepfer]

I'm far from an expert, but the only thing that came to mind would be to have one for low RPM and the other for high RPM, but somebody else who is more knowledgeable should chime in.

You’re thinking of sequential turbos, not unlike what was in the Supra and RX7. Similarly are “compound” turbos that you see in the diesel world (atmosphere turbo - huge, and high pressure turbo - smaller) but they’re making in excess of 100psi. Historically it’s been small turbo to reduce lag, bigger turbo to make power up top.
I’m pretty sure the Hurricane is probably like the BMWs in that they’re “twin” turbos, but they’re small and twin scroll. Twin scroll (divided turbine housing) allows better control over those pulses to make them even more efficient. By breaking the i6 into two 3cyl engines they can take advantage of the exhaust pulses to spin up 2 small turbos very efficiently. With variable cam timing, direct injection, electronic wastegates, higher compression… they don’t need a slow-to-spool big single turbo. The Hurricane can make 600hp with the available turbos, and since they can make so much power down low, no need to worry that there’s two. If you want to make 800-1000hp you’re going to get a big single.

 

[Jimmy N.]

With the Cummins powered Rams they solved it by using variable vanes.

That works well, but doesn't sound as impressive as twin turbos. Then again, most claim that their Cummins has an intercooler, which sounds better than the charge air cooler it actually is.

Somewhat like that there are now 4-door SUVs called coupes, because the rear window slopes more. It doesn't have to be factual, just sound good.

 

[Jack_Toepfer]

The VGT turbos are impressive - when they work. Anytime you’re expecting a part to be able move reliably in that type of environment, you’re asking for problems.

 

[Jimmy N.]

The VGT turbos are impressive - when they work. Anytime you’re expecting a part to be able move reliably in that type of environment, you’re asking for problems.

True. A friend of mine got only around 330,000 miles out of one. Normally he trades in at about 450,000 without having had any issues.

 

[Jack_Toepfer]

True. A friend of mine got only around 330,000 miles out of one. Normally he trades in at about 450,000 without having had any issues.

That’s impressive… I can’t imagine he is running a hot tune to get those miles out of one, right?

 

[Rocket Man]

I also can't imagine he gets much for trade in at 450k miles.
$500-1000?