Demon 170, will any be 100k, probably not

[Bowtie Guy]

Why? Penske themselves or their dealerships?

I heard Penske was painting the 1 off color Demons
I have no concrete evidence of that
Or
Shipping hub ???

 

[Boris]

That ain't Dodge money. $100K+ is big $$$ for a Dodge.

And when you see guys throwing Whipples and a tune on a "base" Hellcat and running low 9s to high 8s, it really begs the question - is the D170 even worth it at MSRP?

I saw a gorgeous 21 slim cat for 52k.
I'm sure you can throw that widebody rear on it if you want it to look like a 170.
15" conversion with your choice of wheels.

Footbrake an 8.90 on a car you can still drive every day. For less than half of what these clowns want for the Demon.

Unless you are after collector/cars and coffee status, doesn't make much sense.

 

[Speedy!]

It's been a little while now and people starting to drive these things but I'm not hearing of anyone swapping wheels/tires to a street tire setup. Do the new owners not realize those MT ET Street Rs will last about 2000 miles if they're babied and lucky?

 

[1971demon]

Our Democracy is on the ropes. When one side is saying (before 1 vote is cast) that either we win or it's stolen (with no other outcomes possible), that's how dictators operate in the 3rd world. Gotta hope we are not that much of a sh!thole country.

Look around...Our Democracy has been on the ropes since the last election...look further...we're on the brink of becoming a third world Country...and that's the result of an administration that ignores the rule of Law....look even deeper into the abyss you will see an alarming number of sh!thole cities....now to those that feel this administration is doing an admirable job...I guess the point is moot....

 

[DavidKFla]

This country WAS a constitutional republic.

 

[1971demon]

This country WAS a constitutional republic.

Operative term...WAS

 

[1971demon]

This country WAS a constitutional republic.

It will be interesting to see what kind of approval rating Illegal Demon gives the current administration...

 

[Jack_Toepfer]

It will be interesting to see what kind of approval rating Illegal Demon gives the current administration...

Shots fired!!!

 

[1971demon]

Shots fired!!!

Got that right Jack...

 

[1971demon]

I don't want to even begin to jump down this rabbit hole, but facts nowadays come down to where you choose to get your information. As a country we are as divided along the lines of information as we are politically and socially IMO.

The key here...not to be influenced by propaganda from either side...any administration has certain basic barometers that determine if they have the best interest of the American people @ heart...energy...immigration..education...law enforcement..upholding the Constitution..are just a few...I guess if you feel strongly that these don't matter...that would tend to lead to a social and political divide that is born of apathy and ignorance...just my .02

 

[Illegal_Demon]

Not that my beliefs matter but I’ll accept the 2020 results when the following are shown to be true.

1. There was a verifiable chain of custody on the drop off ballot boxes and mail in ballots.
2. There was signature verification in states where secretaries of state told workers not to (i.e. Michigan).
3. The ballot harvesting was done honestly.
4. None of the voting machines were connected to the internet.
5. A rational explanation for early morning stoppage of vote counting until massive amounts of Biden votes arrived in the swing states
6. The sworn affidavits that were presented at various state legislature hearings were fraudulent.
7. It was Constitutional for governors and secretaries of state to change state election laws without legislative approval.
8. Only U.S. citizens were able to vote.
9. Mail in ballots without folds were actually mailed in.

Can all this be proven for the 2016 election Trump won? Again, it's interesting that it's fraud only when one's side loses. Dangerous way of thinking imo...for our Democracy.

 

[1971demon]

Can all this be proven for the 2016 election Trump won? Again, it's interesting that it's fraud only when one's side loses. Dangerous way of thinking imo...for our Democracy.

Fraud...and illegal activity is what it is ...regardless of what party wins...Curious...is it your belief the 2020 election was void of such activity

 

[cole3986]

If Voting Made a Difference, They Wouldn't Let Us Do It'

 

[EricG]

Fraud...and illegal activity is what it is ...regardless of what party wins...Curious...is it your belief the 2020 election was void of such activity

I have no doubt that where you get your information this narrative has been told and re-told a million times with lots of "their proof" that it was stolen. The narrative that they push on climate is very persistent too. Watch and believe what you want, that is definitely your right in this country and we are very lucky to still have that right IMO.

You are not going to hear me say the mainstream left-leaning media innocent of this stuff - their handling(or lack thereof) of the Hunter Biden laptop is a classic example. Just imagine if that was one of Trump's kids!

 

[DavidKFla]

If Voting Made a Difference, They Wouldn't Let Us Do It'

It's not who gets the most votes, it's who counts the vote.

Voting fraud has been going on since voting 1st started. People seem to forget all of the people convicted of it through the years and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

We can all pretend that none of this happens or we can work to stop it. Or you can just sit on your hands and let it continue. Your choice.

 

[DavidKFla]

Now back to our regularly scheduled "programming".

 

[Boris]

It's been a little while now and people starting to drive these things but I'm not hearing of anyone swapping wheels/tires to a street tire setup. Do the new owners not realize those MT ET Street Rs will last about 2000 miles if they're babied and lucky?

If you have 200k for a Dodge Challenger, you have the funds to afford new M/Ts

However, seeing all the OG's popping up for sale under 2,000 miles, I think dry rot is more likely to end the life of these tires than wear.

 

[EricG]

If you have 200k for a Dodge Challenger, you have the funds to afford new M/Ts

However, seeing all the OG's popping up for sale under 2,000 miles, I think dry rot is more likely to end the life of these tires than wear.

I finally got my eyes and hands on one of these in person at the local dealership, I was looking over the wheels and tires closely and I know this is subjective as I did not measure the tread depth, but to me the rear tires had very deep grooves, do you think Mickey Thompson put 1 or 2 extra /16's on these as they are a factory equipped tire? I have read that Teslas that come with Michelin PS4s actually come with 2 less /16s on their OEM tires, could be a cheap way Tesla is saving money on production costs...

One other thing, the heroic street performance on these 170s is no doubt partially tied to appropriate tires being delivered from the factory. It cracks me up when people thing Hellcats and Redeyes are only as fast as the magazine times which are all done on the crap OEM rubber.

 

[jroyk]

Can all this be proven for the 2016 election Trump won? Again, it's interesting that it's fraud only when one's side loses. Dangerous way of thinking imo...for our Democracy.

Of course not! New "emergency" rules that decimated the integrity of vote did not exist in 2016. Now, blue states are codifying the COVID voting procedures that facilitate ease of cheating and calling it "Voter Rights legislation". Why does the left oppose voter ID? The Biden administration is importing a new dependent third world electorate. Even if illegal immigrants are unable to vote (I believe many will), their numbers will be included in the 2030 census and will determine representation in the House. Not to mention anchor babies.

Give me voter ID. same day paper ballots for all but the infirmed, and Iraqi finger dipped in ink authentication.

 

[Boris]

For years the left has always touted that if more people show up, they will win more elections.

COVID gave them the opening to do the mail in ballots.
Someone on the left was pretty smart about that one.

But what it boils down to are states. Georgia I think did away with or severely limited mail in voting for 24. So that likely flips back to red.

Now you have Michigan (not likely), Arizona (likely), and Pennsylvania (toss up) as the other state the GOP will need to flip to win the White House.

Kind of pointless to keep fighting about 2020, its over and done with. Get a better game plan and go.