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From @Anguish …”And electricity production from fossil fuels? Well, that's interesting because it's not a given that EV conversion will immediately cause a significant increase in fossil-to-electricity burning. That's because most EV charging is done off-peak hours. The power plants are still spun up today, burning fuel, but the electricity isn't being used. Sure, some plants get shut down off-peak, but not most... which is why the supply is such that you can get off-peak pricing. So... if we stop burning the gas in the tank and we start using (some) currently wasted electricity, there's a decent argument that there's improvement. That said... it's all math, and it's not clear what the real-world results will be. But... it's not clear-cut bad and it's not clear-cut good. Despite what "the sides" want to say.”
@Anguish good stuff. But I need to help you out on what is peak and off peak. This correction affects your entire justification for currently using EV’s. You are assuming that “off peak” is when during the day?
Because if the assumption includes that period when most people return home from work and the sun is set or going down, that is PEAK for power demand. The best “off peak” time? High noon my friend. Especially with a greater solar penetration such as California. Hawaii is worse. If everyone went home in California tonight and fired up their chargers along with their stoves, washing, and other items and appliances, oh and wanted to stay cool, their demand for power will wipe those lithium batteries clean in a few hours. They would be importing their power from Delta, UT. (LADWP electric plant), and other places where they either have power plants or agreements to import power. No sun, no solar production. Evening and wind, again a problem. It slows down. The traditional spinning reserves that are turbine-generators located in fossil fuel, nuclear, waste to energy or hydroelectric have those. Without those components, the only thing you have is lithium batteries for a few hours. If we cut the traditional sources as configured today sir, things will not work.
Ask the Governor of CA why we all need to help him pay for extending the life of Diablo Canyon Nuclear. Because he MUST have it to use its spinning generators, or he don’t have power all night, he won’t have grid stability and he certainly cannot support additional EV’s and a greater penetration of solar without that or more Pumped Storage Hydroelectric (PSH). I am assuming coal is history. But we need to not take the coal away until we have a substitute. Note the Inflation Reduction Act DID finally for the first time in anyones’ life reading this, put PSH on equal footing with batteries for a significant tax credit. Those are going to be built soon. Not one has been built here in the USA for 25 years. We won’t have one complete for at least five years FYI, and that is if we begin CONSTRUCTION now. Not permitting, debate, planning, design and pre-construction and then construction. About 2-3 are ready to construct now. One don’t have local opposition. The other two continue to have local opposition. Then there are about 50 today with only preliminary permits. 6-10 years out!!
@Anguish good stuff. But I need to help you out on what is peak and off peak. This correction affects your entire justification for currently using EV’s. You are assuming that “off peak” is when during the day?
Because if the assumption includes that period when most people return home from work and the sun is set or going down, that is PEAK for power demand. The best “off peak” time? High noon my friend. Especially with a greater solar penetration such as California. Hawaii is worse. If everyone went home in California tonight and fired up their chargers along with their stoves, washing, and other items and appliances, oh and wanted to stay cool, their demand for power will wipe those lithium batteries clean in a few hours. They would be importing their power from Delta, UT. (LADWP electric plant), and other places where they either have power plants or agreements to import power. No sun, no solar production. Evening and wind, again a problem. It slows down. The traditional spinning reserves that are turbine-generators located in fossil fuel, nuclear, waste to energy or hydroelectric have those. Without those components, the only thing you have is lithium batteries for a few hours. If we cut the traditional sources as configured today sir, things will not work.
Ask the Governor of CA why we all need to help him pay for extending the life of Diablo Canyon Nuclear. Because he MUST have it to use its spinning generators, or he don’t have power all night, he won’t have grid stability and he certainly cannot support additional EV’s and a greater penetration of solar without that or more Pumped Storage Hydroelectric (PSH). I am assuming coal is history. But we need to not take the coal away until we have a substitute. Note the Inflation Reduction Act DID finally for the first time in anyones’ life reading this, put PSH on equal footing with batteries for a significant tax credit. Those are going to be built soon. Not one has been built here in the USA for 25 years. We won’t have one complete for at least five years FYI, and that is if we begin CONSTRUCTION now. Not permitting, debate, planning, design and pre-construction and then construction. About 2-3 are ready to construct now. One don’t have local opposition. The other two continue to have local opposition. Then there are about 50 today with only preliminary permits. 6-10 years out!!
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